This thread was obviously thought to be controversial, so unifex had to come out and endorse it :)

CCP, I think you have the playerbase a bit wrong here. The majority of the playerbase is not opposed to avatar gameplay, in fact I think most of us think it would be awesome to have a seamless ship/avatar experience like the one portrayed in future vision and this year fanfest video.

What you delivered in Incarna wasnt avatar gameplay, and it was disapointing, but what made the playerbase RAGE was not this at all. It was 3rd party developer fees, PayToWin, the hilariously hopless NeX store, 1000 dollar pants - i.e. the feeling that you planned to monetize your playerbase, coupled with a certain "we wont listen unless you unsubscribe on us" email, that spraked the riots.

Dont confuse these two things. Incarna was dissapointing as hell compared to what players were expecting, but it was not what caused the BIG crisis.

The critical thing moving foreward will however be a question of resource allocation. You have done :18 months: on us before to develop Incarna with little to show for it, and I dont see the playerbase have that kind of patience again. So, if you are going to do this - and I actually really think you should - you cannot ignore the ship game in the meantime.

Because that wouldn't be as cool, and the ship drones are actually really big.

Then it isn't unreasonable to translate that as "Never." - Seeing as how vocal the FiS crowd is... Taking away any of their 'resources' would hardly be met with cheers of delight, let alone tolerance... and when he follows it up with -


Then it only takes a look, to see that the Retribution page has zero WiS content, and therefore, TA are working (presumably) on UI enhancements, etc. and as for the "and beyond" part, I think it's fair to say that TA is gone for the next year, at least.

So WiS was warmly welcomed. Rewriting history there... not working.
What's one room got to do with anything? No one said that. Whimsically adding that doesn't make the whole post as being true. Nice try.

well... not really "nice"

Whats WoD?

It would be interesting if people could in fact board your ship, but upon docking at the wreck while a second person is docked, they land at the other side of the wreck. It would result in having to cross the wreck to reach the other pilot's ship, meaning a conflict would likely happen in the middle, or at least the person who knew they would be stealing would have to "stealth" past the other explorer.

Docking at the same spot and just turning around and boarding the other guy's ship just sounds a bit too easy :P

WoD is a bad idea imo, never should have tried to jump on the vampire fad with the length of time it takes to produce an MMO.

In an ironic twist, those console kids are asking for WiS. Quite a few of them. They were somehow under the impression that the two games would be connected, if even only social areas to begin with. Some of them are using the PS lounge as a resort because CCP hasn't given them the space within the EVE universe to do such things. If you ask me that allows them to get one foot out the door, if I was CCP I would be making sure they have everything they need to keep them immersed in the EVE verse.

what about the debates between dudes emoting each other and meaningful gameplay camps?

Yeah I know right? why didn't Incarna launch with an off option? Is it so hard to understand that some of us are not barbie freaks?

Hey guys, thanks for the positive reaction. Like stated above, our vision is to make the EVE Universe the ultimate science fiction simulator. Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people.
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Jove expats (without access to their technology) as a playable starter race. The lore reason will be that Jove are desperate and think that letting their own mix with other races may trigger new experiences and lead to useful discovery.


PS: can you point the time stamp for that WiS comment? I want to see that chuckle with my own eyes and give a try to reading what it means, if it means anything at all.

Well, once they actually manage to get multi-avatar gameplay working it shouldn't be too difficult to add more WiS features bit by bit over the next years. At least, it would prove that they're not just too god-damn incompetent to deal with avatars and that more is possible. Question, though, is whether the next expansion actually features the exploration FPS (or third person shooter) thing or if the part about stuff being implemented in the summer expansion is raising false hopes. Adding the exploration shooter with an exploration themed expansion would make more sense than if they added it in a year with, say, a POS themed expansion, anyway.

I also want WiS to happen (i'm absolutely pro WiS) AND i want it in EvE and not SC... but... i'm also realistic.
Nearly two years since incarna... and no progress in WiS.
One year after the "we don't have the ressources to do anything WiS related" Post... and yeah... thats it.
During the ATX Zastrow said something like "10 year eve, after everything is fixed - then wis would be cool", and the CCP response on the stream was like "ohm... yeah... look somewhere else, till he goes away or changes topic".

Just posting "We want it" - seems not to be enough, we already have two threadnaughts about this topic.
It seems like WiS is the unwanted child in the eve client... 'cause they treat it that way.

Maybe with finally some competition in this genre... something will change.
Maybe fanfest brings exciting news about WiS (but i doubt it)

This this happen yet? Saw anything of note?

I want to take it when it wonGÇÖt mean removing developers and focus from flying in space.

No. What he is saying is that work on EVE/FIS should not basically stop when work on WIS starts-up again, like last time.

In other words he wants to work on WIS if/when there are enough resources for Devs to work on both projects simultaneously.

Okay, first off... Indiana Jones is awesome. Seriously.

Also, capsuleers don't need crews.

Keep in mind that with the introduction of DUST a lot of what was impossible in the original lore has evolved into a new current in game reality.

Implants that allow transference without a POD being present for example (although a suitable clone storage facility needs to be in range, perhaps a module similar to a clone bay could be developed to fit to any ship doing exploration? It could carry a very limited number of "exploration class" clones... or even a rig I suppose.)

The lore may say so to further illustrate CCP's sociopathic and socialdarwinistic hardcore Randian teabagger ideology, but as long as there's not a single hint in-game that there are actually other people on your ship crews can be considered non-existing.

Meaningful in this instance meant that there was some core gameplay that really required you to be an avatar rather than having stuff that occurs whilst your avatar just happens to be stood around.